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#12326 - 03/21/08 02:52 PM IEP
Wren Offline
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I just did a search "iep" on this site and didn't come with anything. Can someone point to it, and/or place links to the best sites on IEP information.

Thanks
Ren

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#12329 - 03/21/08 02:56 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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Are you talking about gifted IEP or IEP for disabilities?

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#12332 - 03/21/08 03:00 PM Re: IEP [Re: Cathy A]
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On the government site they have gifted as a disabiity.

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#12333 - 03/21/08 03:03 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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Yes, but it's (gifted) unfortunately not part of IDEA, the federal law that governs IEPs. IEPs, or Individualized Education Plans (?...close enough) are the paperwork that explains how IDEA will be implemented for a specific child.

Some states have a gifted version, perhaps called a GIEP. Same idea (little letters, LOL!), but not covered at all by federal law.

However, without a cooperative state or school, getting an IEP solely for gifted purposes is very rare.


Edited by Dottie (03/21/08 03:03 PM)
Edit Reason: clarity

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#12334 - 03/21/08 03:05 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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Can you direct where this IDEA section is, please?

REn

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#12335 - 03/21/08 03:12 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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IDEA itself is HUGE!!!! No one person could ever process it all! At least that's my theory. It's truly enormous...pages and pages of stuff.

If you are interested from a special education perspective, this is a nice place to start processing the info...

http://www.wrightslaw.com/

If you are asking about the IEP section itself, I'm not really sure where to send you. Can you clarify your request?



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#12336 - 03/21/08 03:13 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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Oh, and to further clarify (as this initially confused me!), there is no "Wrights" law. The Wrights are a couple that have taken special education advocacy to the fullest. They help clarify IDEA, which is the actual law.

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#12337 - 03/21/08 03:14 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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Edited by Cathy A (03/21/08 03:15 PM)

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#12338 - 03/21/08 03:14 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
Wren Offline
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On the IEP section, I found:

Sec. 681 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR SUBPARTS 2 AND 3.

which clearly states gifted, under 681 (d) (3) j.

Thanks for the link.

Ren

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#12339 - 03/21/08 03:16 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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Wow, you're fast! From the above link in 6 seconds? I am more familiar with talks ABOUT the law, than the actual law, and am guilty of not taking that on myself....but I do know that parent experts that proceed me have not had any success in getting "gifted" recognized as a "disability".

Now....it would be GREAT if we could of course!!!!!

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#12340 - 03/21/08 03:21 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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Wren, are you talking about this?

http://idea.ed.gov/explore/view/p/%2Croot%2Cstatute%2CI%2CD%2C681%2C

Quote:
(d) Priorities.--The Secretary, in making an award of a grant, contract, or cooperative agreement under subpart 2 or 3, may, without regard to the rulemaking procedures under section 553 of title 5, United States Code, limit competitions to, or otherwise give priority to--

(1) projects that address 1 or more--

(A) age ranges;

(B) disabilities;

(C) school grades;

(D) types of educational placements or early intervention environments;

(E) types of services;

(F) content areas, such as reading; or

(G) effective strategies for helping children with disabilities learn appropriate behavior in the school and other community based educational settings;

(2) projects that address the needs of children based on the severity or incidence of their disability;

(3) projects that address the needs of--

(A) low achieving students;

(B) underserved populations;

(C) children from low income families;

(D) limited English proficient children;

(E) unserved and underserved areas;

(F) rural or urban areas;

(G) children whose behavior interferes with their learning and socialization;

(H) children with reading difficulties;

(I) children in public charter schools;

(J) children who are gifted and talented; or

(K) children with disabilities served by local educational agencies that receive payments under title VIII of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965;

(4) projects to reduce inappropriate identification of children as children with disabilities, particularly among minority children;

(5) projects that are carried out in particular areas of the country, to ensure broad geographic coverage;

(6) projects that promote the development and use of technologies with universal design, assistive technology devices, and assistive technology services to maximize children with disabilities' access to and participation in the general education curriculum; and

(7) any activity that is authorized in subpart 2 or 3.



This is part of Part D: NATIONAL ACTIVITIES TO IMPROVE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN WITH DISABILITIES. I don't think they're saying that gifted kids qualify for IEPs.


Edited by Cathy A (03/21/08 03:24 PM)

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#12341 - 03/21/08 03:26 PM Re: IEP [Re: Cathy A]
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I'm confused....is this part of IDEA? Or Title I? I am shamefully inept at all things written in "legalese!" Give me a nice concise summary any day.

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#12342 - 03/21/08 03:28 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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It says: TITLE I -- AMENDMENTS TO THE INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES EDUCATION ACT

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#12346 - 03/21/08 03:45 PM Re: IEP [Re: Cathy A]
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Ah...so not THE Title I (title one to something else, possibly NCLB?) I only know these things by their catchy shortened titles! I should probably shut up...I'm woefully ignorant in this area. If you find us a loophole Wren, run with it!!!!

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#12347 - 03/21/08 03:51 PM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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It is Title I of the "Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act of 2004". (The reauthorization of IDEA.)


Edited by Cathy A (03/21/08 03:52 PM)

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#12350 - 03/21/08 04:06 PM Re: IEP [Re: Cathy A]
Wren Offline
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I just came back. Yes, that was the section I looked at briefly. Glanced at some other pages. Just looking and wondering.

Thanks.

Ren

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#12354 - 03/21/08 05:03 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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Ren, NY state will not give you IEP for gifted, if that's what you are looking for. Only a few states use IEP or other gifted individual plans.

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#12392 - 03/22/08 12:30 PM Re: IEP [Re: LMom]
Wren Offline
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Thanks. Someone sent me some cases in NY based on gifted advocacy.

Thanks for eveyone's help.

Have a happy holiday if you celebrate

Ren

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#12447 - 03/24/08 12:08 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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I also wanted to mention that some states use a WEP (written education plan) for gifted children. In Ohio, it is mandated (or is about to very soon)but in reality our school uses it as a check box type of form instead of requesting family input. Not sure is NY uses this or not.

Jen

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#12655 - 03/28/08 07:10 PM Re: IEP [Re: Mommy2myEm]
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Hey Wren:

ARE there NYS cases where kids have gotten an IEP for giftedness? Can you send a link?

bk

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#12707 - 03/29/08 04:36 PM Re: IEP [Re: bk1]
Wren Offline
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I haven't gotten that far. Had a week of technology problems. One after another. I want to ask AGATE, as that is their specialty. I have emailed 2 board members, only to have the emails come back undeliverable. I have not had a chance to call.

Ren

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#12760 - 03/31/08 11:02 AM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
Wren Offline
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I have made phone contact with AGATE and got linked to the person there who most works with NYS.

Also, I found this site:

http://www.vesid.nysed.gov/specialed/publications/policy/parentguide.htm

Since someone asked me about NYS specifically.

Ren

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#12761 - 03/31/08 11:07 AM Re: IEP [Re: Dottie]
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Further, in that link there was this part:

(4)Emotional disturbance means a condition exhibiting one or more of the following characteristics over a long period of time and to a marked degree that adversely affects a student’s educational performance:

(i) an inability to learn that cannot be explained by intellectual, sensory, or health factors.

(ii) an inability to build or maintain satisfactory interpersonal relationships with peers and teachers;

(iii) inappropriate types of behavior or feelings under normal circumstances;

(iv) a generally pervasive mood of unhappiness or depression; or

(v) a tendency to develop physical symptoms or fears associated with personal or school problems.



Hence, if you could push the envelope on unhappiness or depression...???

Ren

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#12762 - 03/31/08 11:11 AM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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Certainly a good thought Ren, but I wouldn't recommend it. An "ED" (Emotionally Disable?) label is NOT something you want attached to your child, no matter how frustrated they are in an underchallenging situation. That's my thoughts anyway. Of course I don't discount very real emotional problems when I say that!

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#12815 - 03/31/08 06:57 PM Re: IEP [Re: Wren]
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Thanks Wren. I'll take a look.

bk

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#12881 - 04/02/08 03:56 AM Re: IEP [Re: bk1]
Wren Offline
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More tongue in cheek, i.e. emotional disable. Just remembering in Toronto that behavior problems -- due to boredom -- were reasons for being moved to a gifted program. Just heresay as DD was only 1 at the time.

Ren

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