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#15400 - 05/06/08 09:08 PM Reason for GT denial
pinky Offline
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Registered: 05/06/08
Posts: 1
My son scored 139 in NNAT, whereas the benchmark score in second grade GT is 132.He had also got many "O"'s in his report card and he is also a good artist and his art is also been published in newspaper. Apart from this there are many other qualities to be considered for GT.

But we have received a letter stating he is not selected for GT. There is no proper reason mentioned. Will anyone let me know how they grade gifted talent? How should I proceed?

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#15401 - 05/06/08 09:29 PM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: pinky]
Cathy A Offline
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Registered: 05/26/07
Posts: 856
Loc: Home Sweet Home
There is no standard from one state to another or even from one district to another. You will probably have to contact the district office to find out why your son was not accepted.

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#15403 - 05/07/08 02:33 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: pinky]
Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 624
I think you have to look at the program and see what kind of students they are trying to service. I did a quick search of NNAT and the Wikipedia article was not positive. I know many places use it. It's a non-verbal test so if you have a highly verbal kid, it might not be a true reflective of his abilities. Given that he was above the cutoff, I would at least ask why he was denied.


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#15404 - 05/07/08 02:47 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
Dottie Offline
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Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 2607
Loc: Happy Anticipation
I agree, it's worth asking questions. Identification is a delicate thing. It's much harder than I ever thought it could be! No matter what your criteria, there will always be those that are darn close, and those that miss there, but hit other clearly "gifted" benchmarks.

If I were making the cut, and forced to use the NNAT (which I haven't heard great things about), I would surely consider it, but I would also consider standardized achievement measures. I think certain different ways of looking at gifted are important, but for me anyway, it boils down to school being about academics, and so many GT children truly need things at a faster and more in-depth pace.

I'm guessing your school is using some sort of "top secret" rubric criteria, but now that they've shared his NNAT score, they do owe you a little more insight into the selection process. Is there a particular person you could meet with that would give you both program insights and entrance criteria?

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#15406 - 05/07/08 04:52 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: Dottie]
kcab Offline
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Registered: 10/02/07
Posts: 360
Loc: in line somewhere
Unfortunately, sometimes it just comes down to numbers. Not all the eligible kids get all the services offered in our district - in particular, the once/week pullout to another school. You'll have to talk to the district to find out how the decision is made. In our district office this is the person who is also responsible for special ed.

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#15409 - 05/07/08 05:16 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: pinky]
kimck Offline
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Registered: 09/20/07
Posts: 594
Loc: Summer homeschooling
139 is actually a very high score for the NNAT. I believe it above the 99%. The NNAT ceilings out at 150 and anything above 140 is considered in the "ceiling zone". We use it in our district and I've talked to lots of people on the NNAT. I've heard about it testing kids low, but never high. The people I know who've done further tested have only had HIGHER results. Of course that's not a scientific survey, but just an observation I've had in the past year.

Anyway - I would definitely follow up with the school! Find out why exactly he was denied. In our school district, you wouldn't only have access to GT services, you may even have grounds to ask for services above and beyond the standard ones. We live in an urban district and have a pretty liberal GT definition.

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#15411 - 05/07/08 05:56 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: kcab]
squirt Offline
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Registered: 03/31/08
Posts: 193
Loc: Back in Texas, alas!
What does the GT program do for you? In our district, in 1 - 3 grade, it means 1 1/2 hours a week of pullout from the classroom. They are "studying" Ancient China. It really seems more like an arts and crafts day where they make things relating to China (Wall, Bamboo hats) and they watch movies and read books about China. It's all well and good, but, in my opinion, it's not something for which it would be worth fighting. Think about why you want him identified as GT and if the program is not very good you might want to wait until he retests. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

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#15415 - 05/07/08 06:46 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: kimck]
parent1 Offline
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Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 4
I also have a similar case. My daughter has scored 138 in NNAT and 128 in COGAT. Her work is also published in newspaper and she has got very good grade in her report card and from her teacher also. Even then they have refused GT.
They are suggesting me to take another test(psychological) in GMU,
which is optional to appeal for GT board. I do not understand why she should take this test, if she had surpassed the benchmark score already.

Even if they deny GT, why can't they give some proper explanation such as what factors they considered, what is she missing?
If they just say gifted skills why do they need a benchmark score to test the intelligence of kids rather than gifted skills alone?
Who is the responsible person to give me a proper figure as I strongly feel as a parent I should know more info about my kid?

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#15417 - 05/07/08 07:22 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: parent1]
Dottie Offline
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Registered: 06/30/06
Posts: 2607
Loc: Happy Anticipation
The NNAT is a good enough test for what it tests, but I don't think generalities can be made about scoring higher or lower on more in-depth testing. A full blown IQ test will always include a verbal portion, that may or may not be equally stong. The NNAT doesn't get into verbal abilities whatsoever.

I'm surprised about parent1 too though, as a 139/128 combo on the two tests mentioned is clearly a strong candidate. I would push for more reasoning and clear cut criteria on their entrance policies.

For us, "cheesy pullout" aside (which is actually quite good this year), getting a GT label is additionally desirable for many reasons. Here in PA of course it gives us legal ground to ask for more, but it also paves the way for future placement opportunities in middle school and beyond.

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#15418 - 05/07/08 07:32 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: Dottie]
parent1 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 4
Thanks for your response. But I do not understand what you mean by"Cheesy pullout"

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