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#15419 - 05/07/08 07:38 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: parent1]
Dottie Offline
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Registered: 06/30/06
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Sorry for the "slang"! Many parents lament that after finally getting their kids ID'd for gifted, all they get for their efforts is 1-2 hours per week of non-academic "fun and games" (in a pullout setting). I think Squirt hinted to this above with her "studying" comment. Granted, these outings can be life savers for bored GT children, but they are often not what we envision when we start this process.

Ours was like this in the past, but I do think our new GT teacher is doing a fantastic job, and truly making the best of her limited time with the GT children. Still, kids are gifted for 7 full days a week, not just an hour here and there.

In our school though, GT kids are no better off than bright ones when it comes to in class requirements and differentiation. The bright child has no reason to feel like they are missing out.

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#15420 - 05/07/08 07:44 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: Dottie]
Dottie Offline
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Registered: 06/30/06
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I also apologize for possibly bad mouthing what for some might be the ideal setup. At its "cheesiest", our pullout was almost ideal for DD11's needs at the time. Pullouts can be wonderful, and ours is quite good at the moment.

"Cheesy pullout" has become too easy to throw out there at times, kind of like "plain vanilla". There is nothing plain and ordinary about our gifted children, even the ones that land just short of their particular school's cutoffs. Vanilla can be quite tasty all on its own, wink !

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#15421 - 05/07/08 07:51 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: Dottie]
acs Online   happy
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Registered: 03/05/07
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Originally Posted By: Dottie
"Cheesy pullout" has become too easy to throw out there at times, kind of like "plain vanilla". There is nothing plain and ordinary about our gifted children, even the ones that land just short of their particular school's cutoffs. Vanilla can be quite tasty all on its own, wink !


And I do love cheese!

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#15422 - 05/07/08 07:52 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: Dottie]
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Registered: 01/05/08
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"Cheesy pullout", here's an example. 2 or 3 times a week(alternates), for 1 hour, GS8 goes to the pullout. They were supposed to build some model planes, but no funding. They never even asked if we parents would kick in $20 a piece. So, they've done some stuff with Roman Numerals & different Bases in math. That was a let down, but still OK. Now, here's the real cheesy part; they are measuring their room. GS8 is frustrated because he really doesn't want to use a 12" ruler to measure the room, then record the measurements. I think that's worse than 'drill & kill'. He'd rather sit in his regular classroom and read.

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#15423 - 05/07/08 07:56 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: OHGrandma]
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Oh yes, one more thing. He's in for the whole semester, or he's out. And if he opts out when it gets boring then he might not be allowed back in next year.

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#15424 - 05/07/08 08:12 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: acs]
Kriston Offline
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Registered: 09/19/07
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Loc: AWK for a couple weeks
Vanilla is tasty, too! :P

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#15425 - 05/07/08 08:16 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: OHGrandma]
CFK Offline
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Registered: 06/21/07
Posts: 305
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What GT service are offered really depend on the district. I mention this because I didn't know what the term "pull-out" was reffering to when I first read of them on these boards. Pinky and parent1 might be in big enough school districts like we were where there is a large enough student population to allow for fulltime self-contained gifted classes for each grade (beats the heck out of a pullout!)

If that's the case, they really need to fight for their cause!

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#15427 - 05/07/08 08:27 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: CFK]
Kriston Offline
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Registered: 09/19/07
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Loc: AWK for a couple weeks
...and for info about why so many of us are so much more in love with full-time GT programs and perhaps not so much the hour-or-two-a-week pull-out programs, you might want to take a look at this article. It's one of my two favorites for explaining why GT kids require services:

http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/harm.htm

(The other one I love is this one: http://www.stephanietolan.com/is_it_a_cheetah.htm )

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#15428 - 05/07/08 08:33 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: CFK]
parent1 Offline
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Registered: 05/07/08
Posts: 4
I think by "pullout" means the students who are in school based GT(the ones not in regular GT) they can attend regular GT class for few hours in a week. But, I checked with my friends circle and they say it is not so effective like the regular GT class.

But, my only concern is that even though my kid is intelligent and talented enough deserve in GT, why is the denial without any proper explanation and facts.

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#15430 - 05/07/08 09:09 AM Re: Reason for GT denial [Re: parent1]
Cathy A Offline
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Registered: 05/26/07
Posts: 1050
Loc: West coast, USA
I agree, you are owed an explanation. First of all, ask what the criteria are and then ask how your child failed to meet those criteria. Also, in many districts there is a way to appeal these decisions. Ask about the appeals process. You may be able to get them to change their minds.

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