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#18198 - 06/19/08 11:30 AM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: master of none]
Grinity Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 2213
Loc: Connecticut
Originally Posted By: master of none
DD skipped K and I didn't prepare her academically. For us, that was a mistake.


MON,
Sorry that happened. I'm glad you spoke up. My son's skip was no bed of roses, but I still think it beat that alternative. Here's what happened to us.

1) We asked for a skip from 5th to 6th, during October.
2) The school evaluated him, including the Algebra Readiness test. He did well - he's great on 'aptitude' tests, but only 'pretty good' on measures of actual achievement!
3) The school offered a full skip plus a subject acceleration into the 'high' Math. We had the weekend to review the material.

So a kid who just finished 4th grade math, when straight into an honors class for 7th graders, which taught what was essentially an 8th grade class. Without any hothousing. And with missing half of his combine Language Arts/History class every day. And being one month late. And being rocketed into Middle School. And with an outgoing, verbal, attention-loving kid who was delighted to tell everyone who would listen that he was gradeskiped because he was so smart. ((LOL - not showing smart behavior in my book!))

Did it work? No.
3 months into it they firmly suggested a move back into 6th grade math, with twice a week pullout to deal with the bordom factor. Yes, he was never quite accepted by the new classmates in his very small school.

The good news:
A) He 'gets' that a person shouldn't act that way!
B) His behavior in Math was wonderful all year this year, when he took the same class again, with the same teacher, and the same book.
C) The gradeskip did help reverse a really bad attitude about all things academic. DS11 requested a 'science camp' this summer, and I've found two wonderful hands on science/engineering style day camps for him.
D) He's learned how to study, and do his homework!

I always thought that an early skip would have helped. Truth is- we aren't actually in control of this whole thing! Yuck!

Do you have a friend you has a kid in the 1st grade who can show you the homework? I think that's the best. I just don't know if hothousing will be needed. Best to ask if there are placement exams, etc.

Best Wishes,
Grinity

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#18200 - 06/19/08 11:50 AM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Kriston]
Val Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 268
Loc: California
My son was offered a 2 to 4 skip for next year. We declined it in favor of a new school that groups kids by ability. He's very excited about this school. He's spent a couple days there and came home very excited about what he'd learned.

Even though we declined, the school was good about giving him 3rd grade books while he was in second grade. From what I could tell, no one got wound up about it or even commented on it.

A boy in his class this past year had skipped K to 2 and he was accepted pretty easily by the kids from what I saw. They're still very young at that age, which I think makes the grade skip easier.

I remember that a kid was held back in 4th grade when I was in school. He showed up in our line on the first day of school and we asked why he was standing with us. When he told us, everyone said "oh" and that was the end of it. No one ever teased him. Sometimes (not always) this stuff is a bigger deal for the adults.

If people are interested, I'll report occasionally on how well the ability-grouped school goes. Really, I think this is the way schools should be run: figure out what level each kid is at, and group them that way. It would work best for everyone.

Val

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#18201 - 06/19/08 12:01 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Val]
Grinity Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
Posts: 2213
Loc: Connecticut
Sounds good Val,
Do keep us posted!
How do they figure out where a kid belongs, and what do they do with kids who are 'multilevel' within a single subject - for example 'Algebra idea ready' but slow with the multiplication facts. Or Reading at 10th grade, writing at 2nd grade?

Smiles,
Grinity

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#18204 - 06/19/08 12:21 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Grinity]
Val Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 268
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Grinity
Sounds good Val,
Do keep us posted!
How do they figure out where a kid belongs, and what do they do with kids who are 'multilevel' within a single subject - for example 'Algebra idea ready' but slow with the multiplication facts. Or Reading at 10th grade, writing at 2nd grade?

Smiles,
Grinity


Here's how they explained it to me: they'll test him, and if reading is 10th grade, he'll do 10th grade reading. If writing is 2nd grade, he'll do 2nd grade writing. It's all subject-specific.

The mathematics is supposedly the same, but this will be more difficult. My son is doing algebra right now and isn't have any apparent trouble with it. My husband and I have been showing him about graphing lines and slopes, etc. and he gets it easily and has managed to work out some details on his own.

We skipped grades 6-8 maths but I go over various aspects of it with him as required. So, for example, algebra has a lot of crossover with grade 8 maths and sometimes he works problems in the grade 8 book.

He's learning a lot of the 6-8 stuff (which is not difficult conceptually) through applications in algebra. He's very happy with this arrangement. I have no idea how the school will handle it, though! It'll be a challenge to figure out. I'll report....

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#18205 - 06/19/08 12:29 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Val]
Kriston Offline
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Registered: 09/19/07
Posts: 3764
Loc: here! Where else? (Duh!)
Please do! That kind of asynchronous stuff is what I'm dealing with, too, as a homeschooler. ANYTHING you can glean from the school's methods and share would be very much appreciated.

Thanks, Val! smile

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#18207 - 06/19/08 01:12 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Kriston]
Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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Registered: 04/05/08
Posts: 741
Yes Val, I too would be interested in hearing about the new school!

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#18209 - 06/19/08 01:49 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
master of none Offline
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Registered: 03/18/08
Posts: 153
Even though there were some rocky points, I do think the alternative of going to K would have been worse. All of our social problems were adult issues. There have been no kid problems at all. And most of our academic problems were that it was too low. K would have been even lower. We wouldn't want to do another grade skip because her brother is in that class and because socially, she's a good fit where she is. She actually had first grade classmates calling her on the phone to coordinate wardrobes for the following day. (more girly than I've ever been!) We don't know what next year will bring, but as someone has said on this board, you can only plan 6 months at a time. We're just glad it's summer and we can take a break!

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#18236 - 06/19/08 07:24 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: master of none]
gratified3 Offline
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Registered: 05/25/07
Posts: 265
Glad to know that you are overall happy with the skip despite the difficulties. It's certainly never going to be perfect and maybe this is your least-worst option -- a better academic fit and a good social fit. Sounds like a pretty good situation to me.

Couldn't agree more on how nice the break is grin!

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#18252 - 06/20/08 02:37 PM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: gratified3]
Steph Offline
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Registered: 06/05/08
Posts: 14
Loc: NE
Thanks for the replies! It sounds like there's not much we need to do. He likes math & reads great so other than that, I guess it's just adjusting to the comments. I don't say anything unless someone specifically mentioned the next grade level. It's been odd but hopefully he'll have an easy time. The principal said they're so self involved at that age, there shouldn't be much question.

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#18656 - 06/30/08 09:42 AM Re: Grade skippers - how did you prepare them? [Re: Steph]
kickball Offline
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Registered: 02/17/08
Posts: 120
Nice. Love parent support. Feel bad for kdis with learning disabilities and wonder if every says such stupid things to them as well.

The flawed notion is that skipping or services is about their abilities. It isn't because I'm trying to simply match how much this kid knows now. It is how fast she keeps learning. Even if there are holes in a skip it is the fact that you could compact the year worth of math and cover it in about 4 weeks. Grrr. I feel your pain.

I wish I'd never talked to anyone outside of the "circle" of gt people about our issues. In general it just causes more grief. Like suffering a mc or stillbirth and people suggest it was for the best. grrr. where is the chocolate!

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