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#22357 - 08/07/08 09:12 PM
Re: Fast Learners
[Re: Lori H.]
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Loc: Texas
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I wish I knew how to figure out if my child is learning in enough depth. Can my son just work through Aleks and get what he needs? I recommend including some enrichment like Ed Zaccarro books along with ALEKS or regular elementary classroom math. Once you get to algebra AoPS and math contests are good forms of enrichment. Elementary and secondary math education is lacking in this country. I went through Calculus in high school and made all A's. When I got to college I realized that I learned a great deal of "how to do math" in K-12 but not much about "the whys behind the math." I figured much of that out in my college level engineering classes. It was not that the concepts were difficult; it had more to do with the way the concepts were presented.
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#22358 - 08/07/08 10:55 PM
Re: Fast Learners
[Re: Texas Summer]
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Registered: 09/19/07
Posts: 3779
Loc: here! Where else? (Duh!)
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Elementary and secondary math education is lacking in this country. I went through Calculus in high school and made all A's. When I got to college I realized that I learned a great deal of "how to do math" in K-12 but not much about "the whys behind the math." I figured much of that out in my college level engineering classes. It was not that the concepts were difficult; it had more to do with the way the concepts were presented. Oh, sing it, sister! That's how I felt about my math education, too, and it's one of the things I'm really trying to avoid with DS7. I want him to be a thinker in math, not just a doer, like I was/am.
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#22359 - 08/08/08 02:53 AM
Re: Fast Learners
[Re: Kriston]
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Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 255
Loc: VA
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Kriston, et al, you might find this interesting; right now in our elementary school system there is a struggle between folks who have instituted a new system of math based on the whys and what fors behind math (pattern recognition, estimation, etc.), and parents who feel their kids are not getting enough ROTE math work to reinforce concepts. Really, I think we are lucky they are at least trying to go broad, and when Dh and I feel ds8 needs more rote work on an area, we cover that at home. - The repetitive work is the easiest part to work on at home, imo. I mean literally I see ds8 coming home with work dealing with concepts applicable to computer science, science in general, pure math, (math for funs sake!) etc. In 1st grade he was inspired to make up a game involving tallying up various truck types as we drive. We still enjoy playing this one on the road together, and the accompanying discussion of why in this area or city there might be more of one type... Maybe the whole system will be a bust, but I see my son still enjoying math, so I think that is ok.
Edited by chris1234 (08/08/08 03:16 AM) Edit Reason: typo
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#22370 - 08/08/08 08:29 AM
Re: Fast Learners
[Re: Kriston]
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Registered: 06/25/08
Posts: 382
Loc: North Texas
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Rote Drill has its place. Its a great tool. I highly recommend it.
By rote drill, I mean being able to solve a problem or recite a theorem on demand with no hesitation and at the fastest speed possible.
To survive Very Hard tests in college, I had to have some things down cold. I took advanced thermo and stats classes that required us to derive methods to solve general classes of problems then solve specific cases. All the math had to be second-nature. And we ended up using ALL our math skills - from calculus, diff-eq, Linear Algebra, theorems from RA, Stats, etc. Those kids who did could not slam out the math or reach for a theorem, were left behind.
The first week, the instructor told us we had to take this "easy" week to get up to speed. He told us how to do it.
I had already been doing rote drill for calculus and Linear Algebra prior to the semester to get warmed up. But he upped our game. Every night I spent 12 hours outlining all my other texts, categorizing problems, setting up flash cards, then just started going through it. I had over 200 flash cards with theorems and problems - both pure and applied - on them. Once I had all the subjects down, I shuffled the cards, then took 50 with me on the bus each morning. As the class progressed, I added cards from that class.
After I started this method, I usually finished the finals in one hour vs four most of the other students needed. It all came down to that rote drill. A friend of mine started using it when he was in the math program and from then on he got A+ in classes.
To this day, I can look at most applied math problems and do them in my head. And I can usually look at something that is not right and be able to grasp the theorem being used and which of its givens are being violated.
When you look at other human pursuits - such as sports or marksmanship or cqb - rote drill is a key part of the training method. Sure, there are unstructured problems - but the solution to them often involves pieces taken from actions which are down cold. Academics - and problem solving - are no different.
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