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#22020 - 08/02/08 06:56 AM NCLB and Gifted Students
Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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http://teachers.net/gazette/AUG08/haskvitz/

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Finally, the parents of gifted students must continue to take the time to supplement their child’s education. Studies have shown that IQ scores change over time and that the home environment can make a large difference in this. Thus it is both genetics and the home environment that can help create a young citizen ready for society and the ability to leave the shelter and safety of what is known for the changing demands of civilization.

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If scoring in the top ten percent of an I.Q. test means a child is gifted, then seven million students under the age of 18 are in that same category. There are three million teachers in America and that statistically means that every teacher could have three or more in his or her class.


Top 10% is gifted? that's not 130 is it? Isn't it more like 120s?

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#22023 - 08/02/08 07:07 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
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I won't argue with that. I won't say 120 is not gifted. However, then we have to have a real discussion about level of giftedness and have the schools acknowledge it.

Now off to read the article. And thanks! This is great. Saturday morning reading interesting articles and drinking my coffee!

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#22024 - 08/02/08 07:20 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: incogneato]
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Okay, I'll really support that number, especially when it's used for a good cause.

I'm bookmarking that article to take in to my supposed meeting that is supposed to happen before school starts(feeling pessimistic ever?)

I think the fact that it is written by a teacher will give it more weight.

And thank you to all the teachers who are standing up and speaking out!

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#22025 - 08/02/08 07:31 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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No doubt NCLB has hurt the gifted more than any other group as that ill advised program takes needed resources from them under the assumption that the gifted can learn regardless, as district seek to meet minimum goals.


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No other group has such a huge variation with those classified as gifted on standardized tests having a possible IQ range of over 60 points. No other group comes close. So although the numbers of students is less in the gifted range, the degree of differences in abilities is immense.

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#22027 - 08/02/08 08:09 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
kimck Offline
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Registered: 09/20/07
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Our district uses a PR 92 as a cut off for gifted programming, so it's not too far off from the 90%. However, there is no talk or recognition of LOG.

I do think it's totally reasonable to use that number. Especially in the wake of NCLB. But definitely look at each kid as an individual and look at LOG.

I really like the Top 11 traits of a good teacher list.

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#22028 - 08/02/08 08:13 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: kimck]
Dazed&Confuzed Offline
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I like my friend's program. They have a 3-4 tiered gifted program based on IQ and achievement scores.

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#22033 - 08/02/08 09:18 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
Dottie Offline
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My sister's school has a three tiered approach, but her "top" tier is only what my school calls GT (98th+), so I think they'd still have LOG issues in that highest level. It is great that they have the other levels though, and many of my own school's disgruntled families would be appeased with that approach.

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#22036 - 08/02/08 10:16 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dottie]
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At my friend's district, the top tier goes to a self-contained gifted magnet which is DYS level I believe.

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#22037 - 08/02/08 11:14 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
Mommy2myEm Offline
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Our new school is 128+ on the WISC and all achievement tests (grade level) must be over 95th percentile.

Our old school was teacher recommendation, so it was not regulated by grades, IQ or achievement testing.

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#22039 - 08/02/08 04:04 PM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Mommy2myEm]
Dottie Offline
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While I can dream about a DYS level self-contained program, the truth is....it would be a very small class for DS, frown . I get the opportunity to review a lot of scores, and while we have quite the 120+ (and 130+) population, I rarely hear of 145+ scores in our district. The few that we have probably wouldn't make a "group of peers" anyway.

Still, I'm pretty optimistic about the upcoming school year at the moment.

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