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#22062 - 08/04/08 07:18 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: CFK]
Kriston Member Registered: 09/19/07 Posts: 3779 Loc: here! Where else? (Duh!)	Originally Posted By: CFK I think that IQ test score numbers are too arbitrary, some people only look at VCI, some only at PRI, some only at GAI. I read a description somewhere that I liked that said something like: (in academic terms) 1-2 years above grade level = MG 3-4 years above grade level = HG 5-6 years above grade level = EG above that = PG Again, arbitrary, depending on the level of curricula your area uses but it fits my own personal definition better. I think DYS looks for kids working at least 3 years above grade level, so this seems a bit high based on their standards. It also is problematic for kids who are 2E. But for my part, I'm all in favor of more tools for IDing LOGs rather than fewer. I think looking at where a child is operating makes great sense!
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#22063 - 08/04/08 07:25 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Kriston]
Dottie Member Registered: 06/30/06 Posts: 3280 Loc: The Real World	I agree Kriston, the more tools the better. Too many make the mistake of trying to read a great sweeping conclusion from very limited data.
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#22064 - 08/04/08 07:25 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dottie]
CFK Member Registered: 06/21/07 Posts: 358 Loc: heading in a new direction	True, I was thinking more of youngish elementary age. Once you get to a certain level it's a moot point. I guess you could come up with a scale on the other side like: college at ? - 10 = PG 11 - 12 = EG 13 -14 = HG 15-16 = MG
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#22065 - 08/04/08 07:27 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Kriston]
CFK Member Registered: 06/21/07 Posts: 358 Loc: heading in a new direction	Originally Posted By: Kriston Originally Posted By: CFK I think that IQ test score numbers are too arbitrary, some people only look at VCI, some only at PRI, some only at GAI. I read a description somewhere that I liked that said something like: (in academic terms) 1-2 years above grade level = MG 3-4 years above grade level = HG 5-6 years above grade level = EG above that = PG I think DYS looks for kids working at least 3 years above grade level, so this seems a bit high based on their standards. I'm a hard grader!
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#22066 - 08/04/08 07:28 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: CFK]
Kriston Member Registered: 09/19/07 Posts: 3779 Loc: here! Where else? (Duh!)	LOL!
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#22067 - 08/04/08 07:35 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Dottie]
Texas Summer Member Registered: 05/01/06 Posts: 203 Loc: Texas	I use the terminology the same way. I tend to refer to individuals with scores over 145 as HG or PG depending on the context. This is Dr. Ruf's revised (for Wisc IV and SB 5) levels of giftedness. Level One 117-129 MG Level Two 125-135 HG Level Three 130-140 EG Level Four 135-141 EG to PG Level Five 141+ EG to PG She also adds a note that the current tests cannot adequately distinguish between EG and PG.
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#22068 - 08/04/08 07:37 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Texas Summer]
Wren Member Registered: 01/14/08 Posts: 362	This was very interesting, and all over the map. Too bad there wasn't a black and white definition, it might help with advocacy. Ren
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#22069 - 08/04/08 07:39 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Wren]
Dottie Member Registered: 06/30/06 Posts: 3280 Loc: The Real World	While it would help greatly with advocacy Ren, it would also require "black and white children", which are rare, .
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#22070 - 08/04/08 07:45 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: Wren]
bianc850a Member Registered: 12/02/07 Posts: 268 Loc: California	This is the Hoagies Chart: Level of Giftedness IQ score (old test) (WISC-III, WPPSI-R, SB-4, SB L-M) MG 130 - 145 HG 145 - 160 EG 160 - 180 (SB L-M only) PG 180 and above (SB L-M only) IQ Score (new tests) WISC IV, WPPSI III MG 130-138 HG 138-145 EG 145-152 PG 152-160 IQ Score (new test) SB5 MG 120-129 HG 125-135 EG 130-140 PG 135-141+
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#22071 - 08/04/08 08:42 AM Re: NCLB and Gifted Students [Re: bianc850a]
CFK Member Registered: 06/21/07 Posts: 358 Loc: heading in a new direction	I thought the the Hoagies chart was being revised as more children took the SB-V and scored higher on it. I think originally the SB V was returning lower scores than expected and so they adjusted the definitions of LOG downward, but that was changed now. Or I could be completely wrong!
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