I think the Hoagies chart is not really popular the way it distinguish between WISC IV and SBV. I would say that chart is to be avoided. It just confuses people.

I have trouble with the college entrance age as well unless you are talking about taking one or two classes as opposed to f/t college. Lots of parents choose not to send their kids at such early age to college.

I personally love HG+ when it comes to both of my kids. I could count on the fingers of one hand how many times I've used PG for my DYS. It's not that I would think that DYS kids are not PG, but it feels different when it comes to my own child.

The Davidson Young Scholars qualifications lists both the SBV and the WISC-IV cut offs equally. I don't have experience with the SBV, but my dd's school requires a minimum 145 on the old tests and a 138 on either the WISC IV or the SB5 for entrance (as a HG student).

Bianc850a - so you're saying the entrance for your DD's school is a FSIQ of 138 on either the WISCIV or SBV indicating HG+?

Thanks bianc850a. Is this based on correlation studies?

Ren

Yes, those are the minimum IQ scores they list in order to receive an application. They get many more applications than there are spots, so having that IQ doesn't guarantee entrance.

As to the college age issue, I was thinking more along the lines of when the child has finished all primary and secondary curricula and is ready to take university level courses, not neccessarily that they do!

I agree with you about the PG label when it comes to personal use. I reserve the label for individuals with truly extraordinary performance/achievement.

I'm with you there CFK! While DITD has "labeled" my son as PG, there are kids that truly blow him out of the water. This group is much rarer than the stats we are quoting here, but with them in the picture, I have a hard time thinking of DS as "profound" as well. He fits in good with a huge majority of YS kids though, whatever you want to label that.

You beat my editing, Dottie! Oh, well, I'm just not a fast typer!

But I agree, my children, as wonderfully brilliant as they are, are just not in the same league as some of those kids. That's why I still think the bell curve fits as far as truly PG goes. There are very few people in the world that can achieve at the levels mentioned above.

OK, now you've edited your post and my last post makes no sense! We have to stop this!

Sorry, but my edit beat your second post, ! I clicked "submit" on the first post, and immediately saw your edit job, so quickly fixed mine accordingly.