Whoa...back up to math! That's ridiculous! The math fluency test is VERY simple math facts! I can guarantee your son can do them all if given an extra few minutes. It's probably more about fine motor skills than math ability, given the other scores. And I think math fluency is late in the test. DDthen11 tested "average" on that, three hours into a testing session (after a full day of middle school) and I know she's quicker than most. I agree that math is the more likely course to accelerate. I wonder if it's more about scheduling, given the other kid moving ahead in science?

That's how I felt, too, Dottie. That just seems a ridiculous reason to refuse math acceleration. I think that might be a battle I'd be willing to pick, regardless of how much they said "no!" Sometimes dumb "nos" can be overturned. That's one that should be, I think.

I wonder if most of the staff around the table has actually seen what math fluency is (or isn't)!

If DS isn't on board though, that's also a concern. Is he excited about the science possibility?

I have to say, from our own curriculum, 7th grade science is not really something to skip into, but rather something to be skipped over, . It wasn't very "meaty", but 7th in general here is a somewhat watered down "transitional" year.

And Ebeth, are these WJ scores new? If you haven't yet considered it, you might want to check out the DYS application, !

Definitely!

BTW, I'd LOVE to put your people in a room with my people, and let them hash that one out, ROFL!!!!

Correction..."math fluency" is only test #6, but it's still a stupid test, ROFL!

Oh, and if they are using the WJ-R, they are one revision and two sets of "norms" out of date. For what that's worth...

I can't find a stand alone "science" test on the WJ-III, but there is a science subsection (28 questions) under "Academic Knowledge". It also includes Social Studies and Humanities in the final scoring. Just FYI...

Dottie, are you as much of an expert on the WJ-III math as you are the WISC-IV? I would be happy to forward the scores to you... I have been staring at them for over an hour now, and I'm still trying to make heads or tails of them.

The other question that I had about the DYS application is that they only gave the math achievement test on the WJ III and a science subtest. Could I apply for DYS with just that and a full WISC-IV, or does he need the other WJ III subtests?

And I think that DS is only not interested in a math acceleration due to his self-doubt. He thinks that he is pretty dumb in math. (go figure... sometimes I wonder about the damage done by drilling math timed tests... but that is another issue!) I'm tempted to show him his scores in math and see if he thinks that he can handle 5th grade math at least. I'm also tempted to ask his 4th grade math teacher to give him the end of the year assessment test for 4th and see how he scores.

I had some issues with note-taking when I was accelerated to HS at age 11. A teacher gave me some help - up to this point I just observed and recalled. She made me turn in my notes, critiqued them, then gave them back - and I got the picture.

I also recall that the teachers moved me to where I sat in the front row so they could hear me and I could see them better. This really helped.

I had a locker at the HS, but due to the issues related to going back and forth from the middle school, I got a big backpack for all my books. I had no friends at lunchtime at the HS until some football players sat down at my table.

Other than that, it was a blast.

If he can have a cohort, that will be good.

The other thing might be test taking preparation and problem solving - laying out the knowns and unknowns and THEN solving things, rather than just executing. For tests - doublechecking his answers!!

I think that if he is accelerated in a subject like science, then that will pull up his other areas as well.

The paper that we got from them on the test results says that he was given the WJ III Tests of Achievement (but only the math subsections), and the WJ Revised for the Science. They did mention that they had to dig to find a test that had a science subsection on it. They computed a separate Standard Score for the science subsection.