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#7271 - 01/15/08 01:30 AM Chess and the HG kid
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I thought I would start a new thread because I am curious just how many of your kids out there play chess.

After living and breathing chess with our son for 8 months, I know now that it is not just a stereotype that many chess players are HG. I have met so many parents, maybe some of you, and while we have chess in common, when talking further, there are many other issues we share in parenting these kids. Educating them seems to be the number one challenge!

If there are a significant number of kids out there who play regularly at regional or national tournaments, there may be a way to capitalize on that as a social networking opportunity for the kids, the parents or both!
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#7274 - 01/15/08 03:09 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Zia's Mom]
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I got my DS11 playing with me at age 5, and he does occasionally play at school, but doesn't yet like it, and will only play with me as part of a bargain of some kind. I really like it, and am still trying to figure out how to use Playchess.com

I can still beat DS11, but we have exciting games. When he was 5 he had lots of trouble with 'flow of ideas' being too meager, and I think playing helped him both to develop lots of plans, gracefully change plans, and the value of following the suggested stratagies, because if he brings out his Queen early, I eat it for lunch!

Enjoy!
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#7278 - 01/15/08 04:23 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Grinity]
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Registered: 12/12/07
Posts: 185
Loc: New England
My son(5) got a chess set for Christmas. His poor high-school age babysitter (who is probably HG) was forced to play with him 3-4 hours a day over Christmas break while he learned. The concept of the game is easy for my son--it's the strategy that he still needs to develop. I still easily beat him. I hate that I have been working a lot lately and haven't had a chance to play much chess with him. I also think my son would need a lot more practice before he starts playing with other kids.


Edited by crisc (01/15/08 04:23 AM)
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#7279 - 01/15/08 04:26 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: crisc]
Zia's Mom Offline
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My son absolutely loves the Fritz and Chester software.
The graphics are unbelievable and it really teaches them not only the rules but strategy and tactics, too.
There are three levels and we highly recommend them all.


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#7281 - 01/15/08 04:33 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Zia's Mom]
cym Offline
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Chess is popular with my kids, too. Last summer when we were going to Philadelphia, my sister told me about USA Chess Camp there and my boys wanted to attend. However we didn't have enough time. I contacted USA Chess and they're going to hold a camp this summer in my town!!!

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#7288 - 01/15/08 05:56 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: cym]
Lorel Offline
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Registered: 08/22/07
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Loc: New England
Wow, you all make me enbarrased to admit this. I swear I am not an idiot... but my son was beating me regularly at age five, after he'd been playing for about a year. He's no savant, but he plays well and has far more ability to see ahead than I do.

He has not played a lot, other than a week of chess camp through USA Chess at age eight. He'd broken his arm and had to miss cub scout day camp that summer, so did the chess camp instead. It was a good experience, but all of the kids were pretty introverted and they didn't really make friends.

A homeschool mom in this area just started a chess club and ds reported that he won all three games he played at the first meeting. I'm hoping that he'll find future meeting a bit more competitive.
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#7290 - 01/15/08 06:13 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Lorel]
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DS can beat me too. I know the "moves", but just can't plot the strategy. DS really only gets to play DH (okay) and my dad, who I'm convinced is a chess prodigy if not by innate ability then surely by persistence. When I was a kid, he would play by postcard with strangers, long before the internet was even a thought in someone's mind. I remember his ongoing games sitting up for weeks on end. He's used every available venue ever since (you should have seen the "old-fashioned" computerized versions!)

At last year's big Davidson event, DS beat the first three kids he played, but then a very serious boy sat down and DS was clobbered. I think he has a natural talent, but we've done very little to nurture it. I love the idea of a local club.

Thanks for the software tips!

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#7295 - 01/15/08 09:13 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Dottie]
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Registered: 04/25/06
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Loc: Nevada
My dd7 loves chess. My brother taught her to play over the summer and she's starting to get pretty good at it.

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#7296 - 01/15/08 09:20 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Mom2LA]
Mia Online   content
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Registered: 11/18/07
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Loc: Chicago, Illinois
I've been meaning to teach ds how to play chess and I just haven't! I did get him the book "Checkmate in Chessland," which he played with interest. But I have to get a board, because our old one is missing about 6 pieces -- ds liked to play with them as a toddler. smile

I looked around for a local club, but there just aren't many available. I know how to play, but I'm no great shakes at it, which makes me hesitant to teach him. I should make ex-h teach him, he's fabulous at chess. Hmmm... I should ask him to.

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#7306 - 01/15/08 11:57 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Mia]
Lorel Offline
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Registered: 08/22/07
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Loc: New England
Rats! I just noticed the glaring typo I made above. Time has expired for correction! Phooey.
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#7312 - 01/15/08 02:07 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Lorel]
Kriston Offline
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Registered: 09/19/07
Posts: 2956
Loc: Easing back into schoolwork
DS6 learned from DH how to play chess at 3, but to be honest, I don't really love chess, so I never play with him. He took an afterschool (non-GT) class last spring, but nothing since. He's probably forgotten how to play!

Bad Mommy! frown

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#7331 - 01/15/08 07:21 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Kriston]
acs Online   happy
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Registered: 03/05/07
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Both DH and I had older siblings who enjoyed destroying us at chess when we were little (both HG sibs were way older than us and it was not fair--still bitter). Anyway, these experiences soured us on chess. Completely unfair and viceral reaction, but the result is that if DS is going to learn chess it will have to be without DH and me. LOL

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#7334 - 01/15/08 07:38 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: acs]
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My dad is a chess guru and he taught me how to play when I was little but I never loved it, although I liked it ok. My DS6 got a chess teacher/game for the computer that came with a little chess set he carried around everywhere. He played alot with it for a while but he's not playing so much now. He really enjoys playing though. Acs maybe if your DS wants to play you could go the computer game route????

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#7335 - 01/15/08 07:42 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: EandCmom]
acs Online   happy
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I've considered that. I figure it's his uncle's job(s) to teach DS chess and buy him the computer board, etc. I see it as their opportunity to atone for their previous behavior. LOL.

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#7336 - 01/15/08 07:47 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: EandCmom]
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I used to play competitive chess, but I haven't taught my son yet. I guess I should give it a shot and see if he is interested.

I agree that lots of people who are good in chess are GT. Lots of my teammates got accepted to prestigious universities and studied math, engineering, computer science and such. My department had lots of students with amazing chess skills. Not every mathematician is good in chess though. Dh is amazing as far as math goes, but he sucks in chess big time.

The bottom line is that I think chess competition can be a really good place to meet parents of GT kids. I guess I better start teaching my son chess then smile

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#7352 - 01/16/08 06:03 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Lorel]
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Registered: 09/20/07
Posts: 594
Loc: Summer homeschooling
DS learned how to play chess in 1 day at a neighbor's house with their older grandchild at 4. He taught us how to play after begging for a chess board. He would love to find a club or league to hone his skills. He generally beats me and beats almost every child he plays around here. He needs a challenge! He's actually kind of dropped it lately because of the lack of challenge.

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#7353 - 01/16/08 06:56 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: kimck]
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Registered: 04/25/06
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Loc: Midwest
DS11 enjoys chess, although he hasn’t played much lately and has never played seriously.

Last year at this time, he took a Saturday class for local GT kids and ended in the final two, but missed the last game due to BB. He wants to get involved in the regional league, but he (and possibly, his sister) would have to give up some other interest in order for him to pursue it seriously.

We may consider the CHESS camp for him this year also. He doesn’t care much for sleep away camps yet, so that may be a good option.

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#19534 - 07/10/08 12:34 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: delbows]
Austin Offline
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Registered: 06/25/08
Posts: 190
Loc: North Texas
Yahoo has chess online.

Kids can enroll themselves and then move up in rankings.

http://games.yahoo.com/board-games

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#19542 - 07/10/08 01:02 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Austin]
Isa Offline
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Registered: 11/28/07
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are we the only ones that do not play chess at all?

DH hates it and I never developed an interest. Despite this, I was thinking of learning myself and teach DD during summer holidays.
At home with DS (aka 'demolition squad') would be nearly impossible.

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#19544 - 07/10/08 01:14 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Isa]
Austin Offline
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Registered: 06/25/08
Posts: 190
Loc: North Texas
Yahoo games has a lot of stuff.

My DW is a game-a-holic. She lives there.

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#19546 - 07/10/08 01:16 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Austin]
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Are the yahoo games safe for kids?

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#19585 - 07/10/08 03:33 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
cym Offline
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Registered: 05/01/06
Posts: 542
Loc: southwest
My kids play Its Your Turn (www.itsyourturn.com/) pente and other games, generally with our adult friends, though we've lectured them ahead of time on giving out personal information and having internet "chats" with anyone.

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#19821 - 07/11/08 03:37 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: cym]
Edwin Offline
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Registered: 05/23/08
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Loc: California
I am the only on that plays chess, or I should say played chess. DS5 has shown some interst so maybe over the summer I will teach him. A mther I met with GT kids out of Nevada suggested I teach him using just pawns first. Then move on to other pieces using things like just the queen, bishops and king. I kind of like this because it helps develop stratagy. Any ideas out there on this?

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#19823 - 07/11/08 03:43 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Edwin]
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Edwin, I checked out a book on chess for kids and it had several games like that ie starting with just pawns etc. I'll see if I can find it.

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#19828 - 07/11/08 03:47 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Dazed&Confuzed]
Edwin Offline
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Registered: 05/23/08
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Loc: California
Dazed
Thank you, I normally just plow ahead, a format would be nice.

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#19830 - 07/11/08 03:50 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Edwin]
Edwin Offline
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Registered: 05/23/08
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Loc: California
incogneato
Thank you, I like the visual cue. DS5 is ok with me showing him, but only for so long.

In teaching him games, normaly I let him win the first few times for confidance, do any of you do this?

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#19831 - 07/11/08 03:53 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Edwin]
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Registered: 10/25/07
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I tried to post a chart, but the format eliminated all the nice neat spacing I did and smooshed it all together.

DD's got a chart from chess club at school.

You can just take a piece of paper or make a chart in word.

The top headings would be Name, then Movement, then Strengths and lastly Weakness.

Under the name heading go down the list for each piece, pawn, knight etc.

under picture you can draw or click art a picture of the piece and add directional arrows demonstrating possible movements

Then under movements, just describe what the piece can do.

Do the same for Strenths and Weakness, you get the picture.

I wish I had a link, but I think the chess club leader came up with this on her own. Unfortunately I don't even have a scanner or I would sent it in an e-mail

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#19832 - 07/11/08 03:55 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: incogneato]
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I do but DH doesn't. Who do you think they prefer to play with?

smile

DD8 is catching on and is over it, she'll mostly play with dad. But DD6 is lacking in confidence, so why not?

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#19834 - 07/11/08 03:58 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: incogneato]
Edwin Offline
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Registered: 05/23/08
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Loc: California
Incogneato

Yhank you, I think I will do that, and start with some individual piece games.

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#19933 - 07/12/08 04:56 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: Edwin]
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Registered: 06/27/08
Posts: 65
Loc: VA
DS is willing to play chess when asked, but seems to prefer and really do better with both checkers and the Japanese* territory game 'Go'. He routinely beats me at both. I think there might be some sentimental attachment for him on both of these choices; he has a great uncle from Britain who has given 'draughts' a certain sophisticated aura for him and he knows the Go board we play with was acquired by his grandpa while in the service. *(Might originally be attributable to China or Korea..have to look that one up.)

He has enjoyed playing checkers online; I think nickelodeon has a website with lots of free games and checkers with one of the characters is available.


Edited by chris1234 (07/12/08 05:01 PM)
Edit Reason: not sure on factoid...
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#19940 - 07/12/08 06:34 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: chris1234]
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A clever dad at my son's elementary school started a chess club. A professional chess player would come once a week and give lessons afterschool. It wasn't long before the club started competeting in district and regional games.

Well, that is how my son started playing chess. He played for 2-3 years until someone in middle school said chess is for geeks and wierdos. Before that, he placed 20th in state competitions under his ranking class.

I hope he starts playing again. He's a teen now and beats all of us here at the house. Sometimes he will play online or with the computer.

It's very good strategic thinking practice!

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#20156 - 07/14/08 05:36 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: JustAMom]
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Registered: 06/13/08
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My DS picked up the game in April and is "chess-obsessed"! Another Mom on this site suggested the Lego Chess software. DS (6yr)loves it. He can select the difficulty level and if feeds his other obession ...legos!:)

We also attened a summer chess camp. It was great for helping him with strategy and tatics. Now, only my DH (gifted) can beat him.

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#20167 - 07/14/08 08:31 PM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: TXMom]
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Speaking of legos, and chess, we got our lego chess board in the mail, and today we made our chess pieces. I was just going to take it slow with DS4, showing him one at a time what each player does. I tried to start with the pawn, but he said "i want to know what my queen does first!" When we got through all the pieces, he had to play a game, of course. It all came so easily for him, that it made me a bit worried.

The first half of the game, I would point out things like "but if you move there, I can take your queen, and then you'll be sad." In one move in the second half of the game, I told him if he moved there, I'd take his queen. He said, "But you won't, because then I'll be sad." At that point, I told him yes, i would start taking his queen now.

My favorite part was making the pieces with DS4. I'm not a big fan of chess, but I like arty, creative stuff. smile I think DS4 will be able to overtake my chess ability soon, so hopefully DH will get home from work early enough to play DS, otherwise I'll seek out a chess club. Or check out the Lego software - i didn't know that existed (we too have a lego-obsessed child)


Edited by st pauli girl (07/14/08 08:32 PM)

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#20170 - 07/15/08 04:13 AM Re: Chess and the HG kid [Re: st pauli girl]
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"In one move in the second half of the game, I told him if he moved there, I'd take his queen. He said, "But you won't, because then I'll be sad." At that point, I told him yes, i would start taking his queen now."

ROFLMAO!!!!!

That's too great!

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