We got a second set of scores for the WJ III today based on her age. She got a 142 Total achievement, but no necessary scores of 145+, so she is close but not there on this test. We did not do the EXPLORE test, it is not offered where we are. I will have to evaluate whether it is worth the effort to apply to DYS or not, but either way, we have ammunition for advocating on her behalf in the future. Our grade skip has been very successful and she is extremely happy.

And you checked the other 3 relevant scores, right? No 145s there either?

All low 140's and high 130's. Close but no cigar.

I'm no expert, so I'll let the experts advise you. It does seem unfair that scores THAT amazingly high are too low, but there it is...

I'm glad the grade skip is working and that you have some good ammo for the future. Don't give up. Scores on future tests might work for DYS, so it's worth keeping it in mind even if you don't immediately try to test again.

She's clearly a very bright little girl, and I'm glad the grade skip is working well.

Hi NNNgoose,
So glad to hear about the gradeskip working well. It would be nice to have those DYS scores, and I don't doubt that she'll get them some day, but for now the key thing is that she has learned that one has to 'work a bit' in order to learn. I hope she is happy academically and socially. Are you going to consider the private school for 5th grade?

Smiles,
Grinity

Hey there-

I emailed the psychologist who tested my kids, asking her if she could provide the raw scores for their WISCs. She actually had already gone through her high scorers and figured the extended scores, so was happy to send me the changes. Scores for both my son and daughter went up, though it was actually much more dramatic in my son's case. This was interesting, as their full scales had been almost identical, and now they are six points apart. My son's GAI went way up too, so it is now 13 points over my daughter's.

FWIW, I think these two kids are VERY close in overall intelligence. The difference highlighted by this extension seems to me to be basically the difference between my extroverted, people pleaser and my introverted perfectionist. I think Grinity said something about motivation and endurance and test ceilings a while ago, and I do believe parents should consider these factors too. Compliant kids might have slightly higher numbers but that doesn't mean that the non-compliant kids are any less brilliant...

Am I making any sense?

So....the extroverted people pleaser scored higher? I could possibly make a case for both options there, LOL! My perspective is that all three of mine are "teacher pleaser" personalities, and very reserved in what they do share. I think this probably limited certain subtests for all three.

I think it's fantastic that your psych thought of you and your kids, and was already playing around with the numbers. She sounds like a girl after my own heart. As Kriston (?) would say, I think I have a psych crush, LOL!

We also have to keep in mind that extension or not, the WISC-IV was never able to really discern those top scorers. And without such a test, we have to keep our minds open to what might be hiding behind the numbers, LOL! (That last sentence is for our teaching and administrative lurkers, )

LOL! Yes, you would, Dottie! And I would, indeed, say that!